Système de caste ou religions ? « Tu* crèves » quand même ! (*Les nanas)
» Urvashi Butalia (Journaliste et écrivain féministe auteure de « Brève histoire du mouvement féminin indien »)
« Ça m’intéresse : Le système des castes est interdit depuis des décennies, pourtant il perdure….A qui profite ces discriminations ?
UB : pas aux femmes en tout cas. La survie des castes reposent sur elles, plus précisément sur leurs fonctions reproductrices. Selon la tradition, une femme doit se marier à l’intérieur de sa caste pour que ses enfants soient purs…
C M : certaines femmes ont choisi de se convertir à l’islam ou au christianisme, qu’en pensez-vous ?
UB : c’est un leurre ! C’est vrai , par le passé certaines femmes ont choisi de se convertir dans l’unique but d’échapper à l’oppression. En Inde, tout le monde connaît l’histoire de Ramabai : cette femme du XIX e siècle était si érudite qu’on lui avait donné le titre honorifique de Pandita. Un jour, elle épousa un homme d’une caste inférieure à la sienne. La réaction de la communauté hindoue fut si violente que Ramabai dut embrasser la foi chrétienne pour lui échapper. Mais dans les faits, les conversions n’ont pas délivré les femmes de l’ostracisme sexiste, bien au contraire ! la conversion soulage les hommes pauvres, mais pas les femmes. L’islam cultive lui aussi cette discrimination.
Toutes les religions le font.»
Source : documents divers sur lÂ’Inde fournis par leÂ… loueur de voiture !
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Toutes les religions et beaucoup trop de sociétés pratiquent la discrimination envers les femmes !
Pas UNE pour sauver l’autre !
Et dire que ce sont des…femmes(!) qui en sont les fidèles et dévouées courroies de transmission!
SAMBO NANAS 
Merci pour ce billet. Je suis bien d’accord avec vous sur votre conclusion sur les religions ! Elles servent le patriarcat…
c’est affreux aussi de constater que les castes perdurent grâce aux femmes lors qu’elles en sont les principales victimes. C’est horrible, quel paradoxe épouvantable.
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« c’est affreux aussi de constater que les castes perdurent grâce aux femmes lors qu’elles en sont les principales victimes. C’est horrible, quel paradoxe épouvantable. »
Sur blog.fr j’en ai vu des… »PARADOXES » (dans les com de nanas !)
A tomber sur le Q !!!
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Elles ne sont pas responsables, c’est leur éducation patriarcal qui parle pour elle.
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Je sais bien!
Encore dernièrement j’ai lu qu’une femme qui couche avec qui elle veut et comme elle l’entend est une… « salope » !
Une autre m’a dit que si des nanas étaient violées ou…TUEES (!), c’est que quelque part elles l’avaient bien cherché !
Une autre encore: » à chercher à se libérer des chaînes du patriarcat, on finit par se mettre à dos…les mecs! » (Pauves petits chéris à sa maman)
Etc…
Ne parlons pas d’une femme qui se veut « libre » ou « libérée »: c’est juste être libre pour… baiser !!!
Si la société piétine ou recule par rapport aux droits HUMAINS concernant les femmes c’est à cause des…FEMMES elles-mêmes!
Les religions inventées par des mecs et les codes sexistes et misogynes sociaux imposés par des mecs ont imprimé (à jamais?) leur subconscient !
Une large majorité de nanas ne pensent pas en tant qu’être humain LIBRE mais en tant que sujets assujettis aux codes et normes…masculines.
L’horreur? Elles ne s’en rendent plus compte du tout !!!!!!!!
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Tu as raison, mais il faut garder espoir. Moi, je garde espoir car il y a des gens comme toi qui leur ouvre les yeux… C’est pierre par pierre que l’on construit. Ca va prendre du temps… C’est important pour moi de savoir que tu existes comme tant de féministe qui luttent ! Je dois travailler à lutter contre ma masculinité qui me dégoute.
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« Ca va prendre du temps… »
Hélas, beaucoup trop de temps !
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Quand je publie ce genre d’articles je suis habitée par une géante rage impuissante .
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Certaines ne se laissent pas embrigader …..
Arrest us all’
When hundreds of women descended on Nagpur district court armed with knives, stones and chilli powder, within minutes the man who raped them lay dead. Raekha Prasad reports
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The Guardian, Friday 16 September 2005
A year ago Usha Narayane was about to embark on a new life. A call-centre worker with a diploma in hotel management, she was 25 and about to travel north from her home in the centre of India to begin a managerial job in a hotel in Punjab. The job would transport her not only geographically but also socially.
Like her neighbours, Narayane is a dalit, an « untouchable », at the bottom of the caste ladder. Schooling and literacy are rare among the women of Kasturba Nagar, the slum neighbourhood in the city of Nagpur where she grew up. She was unmarried, preferring to work and study. Yet nobody resented her success. Instead, they had high hopes for the girl. But Narayane went nowhere. Today, she is in her family’s one-room, windowless home, awaiting trial for murder.
At 3pm on August 13 2004, Akku Yadav was lynched by a mob of around 200 women from Kasturba Nagar. It took them 15 minutes to hack to death the man they say raped them with impunity for more than a decade. Chilli powder was thrown in his face and stones hurled. As he flailed and fought, one of his alleged victims hacked off his penis with a vegetable knife. A further 70 stab wounds were left on his body. The incident was made all the more extraordinary by its setting. Yadav was murdered not in the dark alleys of the slum, but on the shiny white marble floor of Nagpur district court.
Laughed at and abused by the police when they reported being raped by Yadav, the women took the law into their own hands. A local thug, Yadav and his gang had terrorised the 300 families of Kasturba Nagar for more than a decade, barging into homes demanding money, shouting threats and abuse.
Residents say he murdered at least three neighbours and dumped their bodies on railway tracks. They had reported his crimes to the police dozens of times. Each time he was arrested, he was granted bail.
But it was rape that Yadav used to break and humiliate the community. A rape victim lives in every other house in the slum, say the residents of Kasturba Nagar. He violated women to control men, ordering his henchmen to drag even girls as young as 12 to a nearby derelict building to be gang-raped.
In India, even to admit to being raped is taboo, yet dozens of Yadav’s victims reported the crime. But the 32-year-old was never charged with rape. Instead, the women say, the police would tell him who had made the reports and he would come after them. According to residents, the police were hand-in-glove with Yadav: he fed the local officers bribes and drink, and they protected him.
When one 22-year-old reported being raped by Yadav, the police accused her of having an affair with him and sent her away. Several others were sent away after being told: « You’re a loose woman. That’s why he raped you. »
Nagpur is counted among India’s fastest-growing cities. Yet the experience of the women of Kasturba Nagar is a parallel tale of how everyday life in India’s back streets is stuck in the past. Splashed across the country’s news- papers, the gory image of Yadav’s blood on the courtroom floor was a lesson in the consequences of a state unable to protect the weak and the vulnerable.
After Yadav’s murder, powerful voices were raised supporting the lynch mob. Prominent lawyers issued a statement saying the women should not be treated as the accused, but as the victims. One retired high court judge even congratulated the women. « In the circumstances they underwent, they were left with no alternative but to finish Akku. The women repeatedly pleaded with the police for their security. But the police failed to protect them, » said Justice Bhau Vahane.
Two weeks before the lynching, Yadav came to Narayane’s house on several successive days, threatening to throw acid on her and rape her. He targeted her, she says, because she was outspoken and her brother-in-law, a lawyer, had verbally stood up to Yadav. « He raped only poor people whom he thought wouldn’t go and tell, or if they did, wouldn’t be listened to. But he made a big mistake in threatening me. People felt that if I were attacked, no woman would ever be safe. »
Although Narayane has been charged with Yadav’s murder, she claims she was not at the court when it took place but in the slum collecting signatures for a mass complaint against him. Among the charges levelled against her are some of India’s most serious offences, including « anti- nationalist » crimes amounting to treason. « The cops say I planned the murder; that I started it. They have to make someone a scapegoat, » she says. She believes she has been singled out because she has been the police’s most vociferous critic. Her education gave her the confidence that inspired the community to act, she says.
In the week before the lynching, people started to talk about taking action against Yadav. He disappeared, sensing boiling anger. Narayane and her brother-in-law bypassed the local officers and went straight to the deputy commissioner. He gave the family a safe house for a night and promised to search for him.
On August 6, hundreds of residents smashed his empty house to rubble. By evening they heard Yadav had « surrendered » and was in custody. « The police had said he would be in danger if he came back. They suggested he surrender into their care for his own safety. »
The next day he was due to appear at the city’s district court and 500 slum residents gathered. As Yadav arrived, one of his henchmen tried to pass him knives wrapped in a blanket under the noses of the police. After the women protested, the accomplice was arrested and Yadav taken back into custody, but not before he threatened to return and teach every woman in the slum a lesson.
Hearing that Yadav was likely to get bail yet again, when he returned to court, the women decided to act. « It was not calculated, » Narayane says. « It was not a case that we all sat down and calmly planned what would happen. It was an emotional outburst. The women decided that, if necessary, they’d go to prison, but that this man would never come back and terrorise them. »
On the day of Yadav’s hearing, 200 women came to the court armed with vegetable knives and chilli powder. As he walked in, Yadav spotted one of the women he had raped. He called her a prostitute and threatened to repeat the crime against her. The police laughed. She took off her sandal and began to hit him, shouting, « We can’t both live on this Earth together. It’s you or me. »
It was a rallying cry to an incensed mob. Soon, he was being attacked on all sides. Knives were drawn and the two terrified officers guarding him ran away. Within 15 minutes, Yadav was dead on the courthouse floor. But his death has not brought the women peace. Five were immediately arrested, then released following a demonstration across the city. Now every woman living in the slum has claimed responsibility for the murder. They say no one person can take the blame: they have told the police to arrest them all.
But it is Narayane who is in limbo as she waits for her case to be heard. « After the murder, society’s eyes opened: the police’s failings came to light. That has irritated them. The police see me as a catalyst for the exposure and want to nip it in the bud. »
They face a fight. Narayane is loudly unrepentant. « I’m not scared. I’m not ashamed, » she says. « We’ve done a good thing for society. We will see whether society repays us ».
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/sep/16/india.gender
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« Certaines ne se laissent pas embrigader ….. »
Je voudrais des…Millions comme elles !!!!!!!!
Heureuse Année 2013 à « ma » pote !
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Ca n’a rien avoir avec le billet mais je n’ai pas ton mail
Je suis un peu perdue
j’ai eu des échanges très dur avec un féministe qui me reproche de reproduire les stéréotypes machistes car je déclare aimer le rose porter des minijupe, faire le ménage etc.
Une tweeteuse m’a expliqué que les féministes radicaux sont opposés aux genre studies
Que sont féminisme est d’abolir les genre, pas les multiplier
Je tiens à ma féminité mais elle me dit que cette féminité est décrite par le partriarcat
Je suis une mauvais féministe
que dois-je faire ?
Je suis larguée…
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Je suis entre Tanjore et Maduraï et je n’ai pas un bon débit de wifi; on va reprendre cette conversation qd je serais rentrée de l’Inde, à la fin du mois, Ok ?
JE suis une MAUVAISE féministe car j’ai fait…7 petits, hahaha !
Ne te laisse pas enfermer dans des positions psycho-rigides de certain(e)s
Je te rappelle la définition du féminisme (Petit Larousse): « Mouvenent militant pour l’amélioration et l’extension des Droits des Femmes dans la société »
« Attitude de quelqu’un qui vise à étendre ce rôle et ces Droits des femmes »
Très Heureuse Année à ma copine préférée 😉
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